Do they Have Gastroenteritis or Antimony Poisoning?!


Hey all, it’s ERP from Haven’t done a guest post in a while but here ya go.

Recently there has been a huge uptick of visitors to my ER violently ill with vomiting and diarrhoea.  They (the CDC) thinks it is Norovirus, but that got me thinking.   We see episodes of this sort of thing so often that we almost turn off our brains as clinicians.  We say “you have a virus” before the patient has finished telling us the full story.  We blindly order Zofran, IV fluids and check some electrolytes.  If they feel better after a bolus of fluids and they tolerate some liquids, they go home.  Quick and easy.  Anyway, I got to thinking, what if something else is going on?  Something weird or random (I know I am a geek like that). Something sinister?   During such outbreaks, it would be easier to avoid detection if you were poisoning someone.  This thought got me back to one of my favourite murder-mystery/science books, the Elements of Murder by John Emsley.  You may remember when I blogged here a while back about the cause of death of Napoleon.  My interest in this subject was piqued by reading this book.

Anyway, if you want to poison someone (not that I would advocate such a thing), the way to do it is to do it SLOWLY.  Don’t give a huge lethal dose since that will trigger suspicion that one was poisoned. Also, don’t use things that have very distinctive toxidromes, such as alopaecia.   This includes radioactive stuff like Thallium and Polonium – 210.   If  you give small doses of things that give more common, run of the mill symptoms (such as vomiting and diarrhoea) that are easily mistaken for things like GI viruses, most MD’s won’t be the wiser.  If you are offing  your great-great grandmother to collect her inheritance or life insurance, no one will bat an eye when she kicks it.  The idea is not to trigger an autopsy or official medical examiner evaluation.   Of course, in this day and age, it is much harder since random deaths of young healthy people will almost invariably trigger an investigation even if it occurs over time. Still, I was thinking about this when I saw a 70 year old lady with N/V/D with dehydration, abdominal cramps, low grade fever, mixed in with  about 5 others I had seen with the same thing during a shift.   Perhaps she was rich and some evil nephew could not wait for her to bite the bullet naturally.  Maybe the poisoner was some evil genius with access to all sorts of nasty stuff?

That got me back to my Elements of Murder book and I read about Antimony, the element with the symbol Sb and an atomic number of 51.  It’s  not something that’s usually lying around these days like it was from the 1500’s to the early 20th century, but it is still around in industrial applications and still can be used in a some forms therapeutically to treat some parasitic infections.   There are some problems with using Antimony to poison someone, mostly that unless the body is cremated, it stays detectable in the corpse nearly forever. Thus the key is to avoid an autopsy.  The advantages of it however are that it causes vomiting, headaches, cramps, and sweating – hence it used to be used to treat fevers.  This lady that I saw pretty much had all this – as did many others that I saw last week.  Just giving her small recurrent doses which would be perceived as a relapse over time, and eventually levels would build up to lethal levels where it blocks anticholinesterase enzymes and causes cardiac arrest.   Now, if I were to suspect this poisoning, I could administer chelating agents like Dimercaprol and the patient would likely survive, so the key is to get the patient poisoned during a big Norovirus outbreak when I have the blinders on.

There were some famous murderers that used Antimony, usually in the form of James’ Powder or Tartar Emetic.  One victim’s case that I found pretty interesting was that of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. His death at age 35 in 1791, at the height of his creative genius was officially attributed to “Military Fever”, an archaic term no longer used that could represent many real conditions – infectious or otherwise but may in fact really be Antimony poisoning.    There are many other theories about his death that you can read about (head trauma, Trichinosis, complications of Rheumatic fever), however there seems a real possibility that he was poisoned.  Antimony seems to make the most sense (over Arsenic which would be much more common) due to his symptoms of raging fever, vomiting,depression, and severe edema of the extremities and abdomen from renal failure.   He also exhibited a rash (which my lady fortunately did not have) that has been observed in known cases of poisoning.  The theory is that the composer was treated with Antimony for “melancholia” or severe depression (saddled with stress and debt, this would not be surprising) by his doctor  (ironically Antimony was used to treat this but often CAUSES more depression!) and apparently he was pretty sensitive to it.   When he got more ill and appeared to be febrile (“Military Fever” again) he got more Antimony (and some Mercury which is also nasty stuff) until he succumbed 15 days later, leaving his final composition, the Requiem Mass, unfinished.

Some consorts reportedly came forward much later stating that they had poisoned him on purpose, but the evidence seems to point strongly to yet another case of historical medical malpractise!  Back then, you could do what you and most of medical establishment thought was right, and kill someone unintentionally.  If I could go back to virtually any time before the US Civil War, I would tell people to avoid doctors like the plague!  Meanwhile, my lady felt better after her treatment and I discharged her with an Rx for Zofran – which I subsequently realised might contribute to her death if she were being slowly poisoned with Antimony (since expelling the compound from one’s body is critical in avoiding absorption of acutely deadly doses).  Well, lets just hope she had that virus and get back to work clearing the board.


  1. Wow, that’s a stretch.

    I can see going in for N/V at your little ol’ ladies age, or the real little kids but wow, the heck if I want to be sitting in the ER when I have a stomach bug? I want to be close to my own toilet and my own cup of water, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

    Crazy-crazy people.

  2. Good thinking! Who knows how many secret poisonings go undetected (but more often than not, murderers seem to be stupid).

    Btw., I bought that book after your last post about it, and am still reading. It’s great! Very fascinating if hard to read for me in English, since many terms have a different name in German and I’m not so familiar with all mentioned elements anyway. I think I’ll get myself a translated second version later (or maybe buy it as a present to my significant other, so we both benefit).

  3. Unfortunately I studied this very issue, and I disagree.

    Mozart had two physicians, one of whom had done research into lead poisoning. According to Constanze (who was trying to create a legend around her dead husband in order to make his work more valuable), Mozart himself was obsessed with the idea that he might have been poisoned. To believe that Mozart was in fact poisoned requires one to believe that two doctors were in on the job.

    As for Mozart’s assets at death, they were likely underestimated for tax purposes. In any event, the accounting does not include any items that Constanze hid, such as cash.

  4. I am writing to express concern about the increase in visitors to your ED with s/s of a virus as you described. Could you please elaborate more on these s/s, the population demographics, and any other observations? My concern is that there could be a resurgence of the swine flu making a “second run” so to speak. Note strong increase in deaths in UK at end of December.

  5. Had a lady who presented c/o “my estranged husband is poisoning me.” And it was true! She had tox reports from previous hospitalizations and a police report. I guess the guy had made bail, her symptoms started returning, and she was afraid that he was still managing to poison her somehow.

  6. Yes, Shortwoman, I am aware of the other research and the antimony one is just one theory – but it seems to have a lot of evidence compared to the others. The poisoning was in this case, accidental as was often the case back then.

  7. Fun post! And speaking of vomiting. WHAT THE HELL?! I swear it’s going around like nuts lately! I work in an elementary school and every single day two or more kids are throwing up. Many are at home sick. Even some of the teachers. And it’s not just this school. Every elementary school in town is dealing with it. I want to wear a mask to school. GAH!!!

  8. Gen, are you sure some cafeteria worker is not a evil, plotting, misanthrope with a big supply of vintage Tartar Emetic? It’s possible……

  9. To Whoever wrote this article, I need help:
    I suspect that my brother in laws new girlfriend is poisoning him. I am glad to see that a physician would have these suspicions. He has started having Grand Mal seizures,’s a lengthy story, but out of the blue. Any way to find this out, without his help, (because I’m sure he won’t participate or cooperate) or help on who to go and talk to??

  10. Hah! I can just see any doctor and for sure police ever really taking anyone seriously about poisoning unless they did have documents in hand, have a big bald spot, smell like bitter almonds, or have those ridges in the nails. It would be better to take hair samples or something to a lab after researching where to go. After watching lots of crime shows I now realize that 2 years of not being able to work years ago sound a lot like slow poisoning symptoms 15 years ago. Plus, some other odd symptoms a few years after like waking in the night with 105 temp yet not sick at all then or the next day. Even my two dogs got sick and died during that period of time. I attributed myself to reactions to the Hep B vaccination, and doctors said weird virus or getting some disease, but I now wonder if my husband’s goofy ex wife got into our home and put something into my beauty products or something.

    • Wow! I thought i was paranoid until i read these postings! Now i feel normal because i have often thought my co-worker has been poisoning me due to unexplainable hair loss. Not to mention i have been warned to watch myself with her because she has been back-stabbing me. If she was poisoning me, i would suspect thallium or arsenic, but who really knows? Thanks for helping me feel not alone lol.

  11. I honestly think this is happening to me. I feel like a crazy person.
    My symptoms range from vomiting, diarieah, severe headaches, vision changes….very very blurry, throat narrowing, stomach pain…feels like a million knives, dizziness, weakness in legs and arms, so exhausted yet have severe insomnia, brain fog that is awful at times, weight loss, sores that appear on skin, I know there is more, but feeling like I’m going to be sick again. Help me please, or just let me die.

  12. I have had a low grade fever, dizziness, gastrointestinal issues, nausea but not vomiting because I do not want to eat but have been actively hydrating, headache and felt like a truck ran over me. This all happened the morning before my moving van pulled up to move me from my marital home of 26 years. I know no one else that is sick and I have been on a slow recovery for the past five days. Losing a little hair as well. Am I being poisoned. Leaving tomorrow no matter what and is this a lingering issue and should I seek medical intervention ?

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